Mailing list status

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Hi Everyone,

Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.

Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL. I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.

The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

It is likely that emails sent to the list since Friday night will not
make it through, and will need to be resent. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Please let me offer a huge thank you to GBNet for donating their time
and servers to Mutt for many, many years, and also express my
appreciation to OSUOSL for working with me to transition to their
hosting services.

[Francesco Ariis]

Hello Kevin,
thanks for the hard work.

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

1. The listinfo URL

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
http://mutt.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users

returns a 404.

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
Mutt-users mailing list

(i.e. one line, email address not capitalised)
-F

[Cameron Simpson]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.
Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL. I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.

Many thanks!

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

I notice that the Sender: header now says {listname}-***@mutt.org whereas
before it said owner-{listname}@mutt.org. (Because my mail filing rule no
longer matched.)

In my mind the original value is better, with a Return-Path: header for
{listname}-***@mutt.org. (Assuming of course that owner-{listname} is still
a valid address.)

But this is very minor.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <***@cskk.id.au> (formerly ***@zip.com.au)

[Erik Christiansen]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

rule no longer matched.)

Works flawlessly here, as at some point I'd switched procmail to look
at List-Post: instead. (Perhaps there was some other change some years
back, to prompt that.)

Many thanks Kevin, for keeping us afloat - and for building the ship.

Erik

[Pete Kelly]

Post by Erik Christiansen

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

rule no longer matched.)

Works flawlessly here, as at some point I'd switched procmail to look
at List-Post: instead. (Perhaps there was some other change some years
back, to prompt that.)
Many thanks Kevin, for keeping us afloat - and for building the ship.
Erik

Definitely a +1 from here.

Thanks for all that you do!

Pete

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.
Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL. I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

[...]

Hello,

It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
transition.

I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Nuno Silva
It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
transition.
I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.

Sorry about that. Yes, the 'nomail' and 'digest' options were lost, and
I have no way to retrieve them. I'll have to ask for your forgiveness
and request you manually re-enable those settings for your account.

Subscription settings can be edited at:
https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users

Note, however, that the website and mailman are not integrated yet.
Some of the mailman links in emails point to
<http://mutt.org/mailman...> prefixes which currently don't work.
Please use the above osuosl.org URL for now.

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Nuno Silva
It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
transition.
I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.

Sorry about that. Yes, the 'nomail' and 'digest' options were lost, and
I have no way to retrieve them. I'll have to ask for your forgiveness
and request you manually re-enable those settings for your account.
https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users
Note, however, that the website and mailman are not integrated yet.
Some of the mailman links in emails point to
<http://mutt.org/mailman...> prefixes which currently don't work.
Please use the above osuosl.org URL for now.

To do this by e-mail:

1. The mailing list software now requires the password to be provided
with some requests and it appears that passwords were reset with this
migration. So, first send an email containing just "password" to
mutt-users-***@mutt.org

2. After receiving the password, send a second e-mail to the same
address with

set authenticate your-password
set delivery off

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users
Note, however, that the website and mailman are not integrated yet.
Some of the mailman links in emails point to
<http://mutt.org/mailman...> prefixes which currently don't work.
Please use the above osuosl.org URL for now.

Is the osuosl.org domain going to show up in the headers sometimes as
well? I'm seeing most stuff w/ mutt.org in the headers, but most recent
message came via osuosl.org domain - maybe Mailman vhost settings need
to be updated?

OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links. I think they have accidentally
goofed up the list ids and headers in the process. I've let them know
about the problem - sorry for the confusion.

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links. I think they have accidentally
goofed up the list ids and headers in the process. I've let them know
about the problem - sorry for the confusion.

Replying to myself to check the headers. Please pardon the noise.

[Fred Smith]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links. I think they have accidentally
goofed up the list ids and headers in the process. I've let them know
about the problem - sorry for the confusion.

Replying to myself to check the headers. Please pardon the noise.

well, FWIW, I just happened to have set procmail to use a header
that (so far) remains intact, so (again, so far) I'm golden:

# mutt-users
:0:
* ^TOmutt-users
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

# mutt-announce
:0:
* ^TOmutt-announce
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

[Sandro Santilli]

Post by Fred Smith

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links. I think they have accidentally
goofed up the list ids and headers in the process. I've let them know
about the problem - sorry for the confusion.

Replying to myself to check the headers. Please pardon the noise.

well, FWIW, I just happened to have set procmail to use a header
# mutt-users
* ^TOmutt-users
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users
# mutt-announce
* ^TOmutt-announce
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

What I use for procmail (if anyone finds it useful):

:0
* ^List-Post: .*mutt-***@mutt.org
.mutt-users/

:0
* ^List-Post: .*mutt-***@osuosl.org
.mutt-users/

NOTE: the above two rules can probably be merged but I'm staying
on the safe side

--strk;

[Sandro Santilli]

Post by Sandro Santilli
:0
.mutt-users/

Thanks Will, I was hoping to get this back from my mail :)

--strk;

[Alexander Dahl]

Hei hei,

Is the osuosl.org domain going to show up in the headers sometimes as
well? I'm seeing most stuff w/ mutt.org in the headers, but most recent
message came via osuosl.org domain - maybe Mailman vhost settings need
to be updated?

I already saw three different List-Id settings in the last two days now:

* mutt-users.mutt.org
* mutt-users.osuosl.org
* mutt-users.lists.mutt.org

I added all of those to my exim forward filter rules, but I would
appreciate if this could settle to some final value soon. ;-)

Greets
Alex

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

I only noticed this now. As far as I can tell, it hasn't been mentioned
here yet: (I might have overlooked some message, though)

The web archive for this list at marc.info[0] stopped being updated
after the mailing list move. Same goes for mutt-dev[1].

[0] https://marc.info/?l=mutt-users
[1] https://marc.info/?l=mutt-dev


It seems that there are web archives for mutt-users and mutt-dev at
mutt.org[2,3]. Out of curiosity, why aren't these listed in the mutt
website[4]?

[2] http://lists.mutt.org/pipermail/mutt-users/
[3] http://lists.mutt.org/pipermail/mutt-dev/
[4] http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Nuno Silva

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

The web archive for this list at marc.info[0] stopped being updated
after the mailing list move. Same goes for mutt-dev[1].

Whoops, I didn't notice either. I assumed when I ported the subscriber
lists over, marc.info would be included, but looks like I forgot to
double-check that.

Post by Nuno Silva
It seems that there are web archives for mutt-users and mutt-dev at
mutt.org[2,3]. Out of curiosity, why aren't these listed in the mutt
website[4]?

It was a bonus I didn't ask for or expect, so I just didn't put it on my
list of things to update. However, given the marc.info gap, I'll do so.